How do I reduce buckling

  • Huhu,

    I searched everything for a topic of this kind (also used a search engine), found nothing.
    I have a very specific problem: Viola hunched over.
    Since her owner and I have both noticed that she has too much energy, she now only gets a small handful of concentrated feed once a week (extra energy reduced / pony feed). Otherwise she only gets hay and may get caught here and there. another frozen tuft of grass. So it can't really be due to the food.
    In the walk she is always completely normal. But as soon as she starts to trot, she tries to get faster. Then I take her back, because I know very well that otherwise she will start to hump and race again. It can't be because of the whip because it does it without a whip.
    Our herd position (viola & me) has been clarified. She tests, e.g. in the round pen. Then she goes inside or makes some kind of faxing, which I then stop with a strict / angry tone, with body language and rarely with the lunging whip. That works great too.
    But what I also noticed: If I now let her gallop in the round pen, she lashes out at me 1-2 times and puts her ears back, then she gallops on as normal. I've also checked whether the hunching is more painful or just high-spirited - definitely high-spirited. She turns specifically towards me and stretches out completely (lashes out long and does not cut off in the middle of the movement).

    What can I do there ?

    LG Anni

    PS: Viola is a Shetty lady (about 105cm). Therefore not necessarily Haflinger size, but maybe. do you still have a few tips. I would rule out untying, because there is definitely another, better way.

  • if she is physically healthy then I would simply recommend that she exercise more.
    In my opinion it sounds like the lady is underutilized.
    And I would cancel the theatrical version completely, feed good MF and good.
    Unless she then picks up.

    My first pony was like that too, became almost dangerous with too little exercise (3-4 times a week). Now she walks for one or two hours every day in the RU and is pious.

    Every horse needs more or less work.

  • Huhu,

    OK. Yes, so if she were to lose a little weight, it doesn't matter.
    Then I'll create a "training plan".
    The only problem is that you can't ride her at a trot or a gallop, so I can only let her run free (round pen + space), go for a walk (also at a gallop) and ride at a walk. She comes out at least 4 times a week now in winter. So she can shred too. She lives in the paddock and can move around freely.

    LG Anni

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    Since it is similar to us had something like that with my mare as soon as you trotted she just ran, I checked her completely so also her teeth and her saddle everything was wonderful my love was just not challenged .. YES and now I have a plan created for you it is really moved every day and now it is better before I start to ride it properly I lunge it for a while and then I gallop through the track with it so two three four laps then that's all Well. After that I have the favorite mare in the world

    best regards

    My ponyys =)

    Men and horses - both are expensive
    but choose the horses, for they are more faithful

  • Hi,

    so I understand correctly, you only ride her at a crotch?
    Just because she doesn't hunch back faster or for weight reasons?

    So for riding. If she humps while riding I would propel her forward. But right.

    If it hits you in the round pen, in my opinion, the hierarchy is NOT clarified. I would work on that.

    It doesn't have to be that she needs more exercise. Or maybe she just does it to get away from work.
    If she humps in the round pen, I would also push her forward more. Until she stops doing it.

    LG Julia

  • One of our mares in the stable is also such a bundle of energy. Despite the open stable, she only moves at a step, but as soon as you ride or let her run, the pent-up energy comes out and it goes off with squeaking, bucking, stepping out and everything that goes with cockiness.
    I've been working on her for three weeks now (she used to be worked with her only sporadically), before work she is allowed to run two laps on each hand (and squeak * g *) and then we ride - above all side crossings and transitions (Walk-Trot-Halt-Backwards) in all variants, so that she has to concentrate constantly and has to play with her center of gravity. She has already made enormous progress, she is now trotting quietly (at the beginning she always "jumped" into the trot) and the canter is now more and more controlled without squeaking and bucking
    I don't think she had a normal gallop until recently. So far there has only been: step - trot - squeaking / bucking (also in the pasture)
    If she does want to jump off and hump, I acknowledge that at the same moment with a good clap of my whip and immediately concentrate on working on where we have just been. You shouldn't pay too much attention to the behavior or let it irritate you. And as I said, lateral movements and frequent transitions are very well suited to keep these horses busy so that they don't even have time to get faster or think about nonsense
    Good luck!

  • Hm, I know the thing about "lashing out at people" from Memphys too. When he did it on the pitch (we now have no more space and no more hall) then he came straight to the lunge and the free running was over. I saw that as disrespect for myself, and I think it is. A horse does not have to step on a person. Memphys must have seen it similarly. Then he first went to the corner where I was standing and pounded off at full speed to the other end of the square. Didn't help, he still got on the lunge.

    However, that was also the case with us in the first time when I had him. You have to say that.

    He was - like probably the Shetti that is at stake - completely underchallenged. On the other hand, he was not fit and had problems in his back that our Ostheo was able to largely clear up.

    I would let Ostheo look over it again and otherwise see that this disrespectful little animal has to work properly.

    In addition to working in the hall, you can use them e.g. B. also great to take with you as a hand horse. Then she has to follow others and on the other hand she comes out and has to walk. This will surely help you lose weight too.

    Incidentally, Memphys still seldom humps in the field. But then really nasty "saddle clearers" that have it all. Scolding is then of no use. There is one on the back and we first reduce the pace.

    He either does it when something is clearly not going according to his head (he wants to go home, the rider wants to go on), in the group (he is behind and that picks him up), when it doesn't go fast enough (you can Great to reduce the pace and continue riding the way you want to. Just a little extra so that he learns to stick to what he is told).

    In our previous stable it had its firm hump corners. I knew: if you trot on the way, then he humps. And he usually did that promptly. Today we change routes often. It rarely happens that I am on the same route three times in a row. So he has to be careful and can't afford escapades.

    I also like to let him gallop uphill from time to time, because the hump is a little more difficult.

    Riding on the long reins also helped us. Then he goes down with his head all by himself, steps down better and cannot buckle.

  • Bucking can mean something negative and something positive.
    I am always very happy when mine humps while letting it run or lunging, usually there are only 2-3 bucklers, then our four-legged friends can relieve their back tension themselves and you don't always have to go to osteop right away. and Chiros scream (a bone breaker always finds something). Plus, it can be pure joy. Failure to target it can also be a game ...

    If the four-legged players naturally go on "attack", the dominance is not clear. With Viola there can be several factors at once.
    Hardly any movement and no gymnastics, therefore no stamina and flexibility, is usually solved by running away from the horse.
    There are horses that are so stiff that galloping is very difficult for them, that would explain the displeasure. I would work her slowly and constantly, bring in a lot of mental work and focus on you by suddenly asking her to do things such as changing hands, turning away, stopping.
    Yes, work, but not too much at once, otherwise it will only get worse.

    LG Andrea

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    Hey you,

    I would sit on it with a well-fitting saddle and then ride out or in the hall or something. And then when she starts bucking, you have to push her, push her, push her. You can't achieve a lot with brakes. The little one has to be driven in such a way that she has no time to buckle. I did that to mine twice and since then she has never bucked again, because she just noticed that it doesn't get rid of me but has to work even more. Sure, you have to be able to hold on to the horse, but if you can, then give it a try. Mine hunched like a king of the hump canter, I sat down deep in the saddle, thighs firmly on the horse and whip on the rump. And then keep drifting and moving forward, it worked out great. And when you trot and canter, make sure that she cannot take her head down, but rather pull it up a little (of course only to get rid of the hump, then no more ) A horse that has its head up and driven can practically no longer buckle.

    Try it out, it works!

    Lg Lena

    P.S. And if she humps in the round pen or while running, let her, I think that's just the joy of life But you should just make sure that it doesn't lean towards you - even then: put pressure and push, push, push

    You can live without animals - it's just not worth it!

  • Huhu,

    hey thanks for the many tips. Yes, of course, if she humps in the round pen or on the lunge on the court, I don't care. Because if I were a horse, I would do that too ^^
    Only if she just wedges after ME, I don't find that very amusing.
    Today I went for a walk with her and also galloped. Clearly white that wasn't enough and I lunged her on the square with an exceptional white halter. Since she was already warm, she could start right away. Of course I ran off like a madman and always hunched really badly. Well that really looked like, "I have a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot too much, a lot, a lot of energy!"
    On the subject of when they hump back: I rode them some time ago and we galloped. Then she is totally uncontrolled and without that I have "asked" her to run like a madman. Has let down two murderous bucklers and let me rush into the dirt. Result ----- Bruised ribs and shoulders, nausea, open hand as well as an open chin.
    So if I let her go and she really was racing, she still had time to hump. She then suddenly races off and throws you down ...

    LG Anni

  • That's exactly what mine does, I can't ride him anymore. No matter how hard you push him and how fast he is, he can always buck.

  • Hey

    yeah, it's kind of like a hump-through. It then happens so suddenly that you lose control.

    Lg Anni

  • Original by Anni96
    Hey

    yeah, that's kind of like a hump-through. It then happens so suddenly that you lose control.

    Lg Anni

    Hello Anni,

    As the previous speakers have already told you, the cause of the buckling must first be clarified, then you can work on it in a targeted manner.

    There are many horses that do not have a good balance under the rider and, as you describe it, get faster and faster, the hump is just a sign of that!

    Greetings from the Münsterland
    Angelica

  • It is the case with mine that he has a very good equilibrium under the rider. If he doesn't hump he goes first class, very soft, carries himself and is soft as butter to ride ... it's a bad habit for him, but it is so that he walks wonderfully for days and then off we go ... .run and hump, he's so skilled at it that you can hardly get over it. A picture book example of how you can hunch back wonderfully under the rider even in the fastest race, which can even do so when you ride a circle and it is posed ...