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Which PTO?

of Gerd1 »Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:55 am

Hello,

we need new PTO shafts on some machines.
Since the old PTO is missing in some cases, I unfortunately do not know which type to use. There is nothing in the operating instructions either.

Have a look at Walterscheid - but I'm not really smart.
There are series from 100 to 400.
When do you need a wide angle joint on one side or even on both sides?
What happens if the PTO is oversized or undersized?

Can you suggest to me which series I need for the following devices:

- Welger AP41
- Vacuum slurry tank 6m³
- fertilizer spreader approx 15m
- Syringe about 15m
- small manure spreader
- small loading wagon
- 3m rotary harrow
- Drum mower 2.5m
- 1-row maize chopper
- Rake / rotary rake about 3m

Greetings and thanks
Gerd
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of Farm party »Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:13 am

For all gardens that you drive in the 3 point you need normal cardan shafts. You need wide-angle waves, for example, when you drive a press because you rarely switch off the PTO in the headland.
Now to your devices:
- Welger AP41
welger is not represented here but think ma it's about a press (wide-angle cardan shaft is clearly in front here)
- Vacuum slurry tank 6m³
(Here is a normal but also in this case a wide angle would be better otherwise you had to turn off the PTO shaft)
- fertilizer spreader approx 15m
Trailer spreader wide angle
Attachment spreader normal
- Syringe about 15m
see spreader
- small manure spreader
see vacuum slurry tanker
- small loading wagon
See vacuum slurry tanker but would take wide angle.
- 3m rotary harrow
Normal
- Drum mower 2.5m
normal
- 1-row maize chopper
normal
- Rake / rotary rake about 3m
normal

Wide angle only makes sense with machines that you have to drive like a trailer. The problem with these machines is that the joints of the shafts get a lot of pressure from the steering angle and, in extreme cases, tilt. By tilting you can destroy the waves, therefore wide-angle waves. Wide-angle shafts consist of 2 joints on the tractor side. The 2 joints have the advantage that each joint only makes half the impact angle compared to the normal shaft, which means that only half the force acts on it = less wear. But only if you have to start the PTO to turn it, for example when pressing.
With machines that run in the 3 point, you always have a relatively straight angle when working, so a normal PTO shaft works here.

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of damme »Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:32 am

Hi,

So I would use a double wide angle with the loader wagon, depending on the type of use, because you usually have to unload with articulated handles in the silo.


If you don't drive a silo with the loading wagon, you can do without it.
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of Gerd1 »Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:14 am

first thanks so far.

can someone say something about the sizes. there are fist numbers how many kw a device needs and which PTO shaft up to how many kw is recommended from the 100 to 400 series.
what is the difference between the eco series and the normal w series from walterscheid?
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of favourite »Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:23 am

Hi,

so it is called "cardan shaft". We are now talking about the yellow things that you push onto the ZW and plug into the other end of the device gearbox.

The Eco is simpler and for small tractors up to 50kW (???). Always look at the performance class!
Furthermore, the length is considerable - the only thing that helps is measurement. At www.faie.de there is a bunch of original, replica and do-it-yourself kits from Waltherscheid and Bondioli.
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of Farm party »Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:38 am

With a general rule of thumb, how much kw a device needs is relative you must also consider that the wine manure spreader needs less power than when you start a full one. I would look at the machines on the gearbox if there is information on it how much the gearbox can wear and possibly take the PTO a little weaker because ne PTO is cheaper than a new gearbox. With the number of shafts you need, I wouldn't buy ready-made PTOs either.

Go to the dealer and buy the stub joints in sufficient numbers and 6m pipe inside and outside plus all the protective stuff.
I think the protection tube is also available by the meter.

You can build the waves in the lengths you want.

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of hand owl »Mon Oct 13, 2008 18:54

Hi, why do you want to buy shafts for devices that nobody uses anyway? - otherwise there would be a wave. Or do you have a school assignment?
If not: just go to the agricultural machinery dealer, let us advise you - the Walterscheid catalog (not the spare parts list) is more than complete in this regard: how much kw, which service life, which shaft ...
Oh yes: depending on the design of the tedder, I would also use the tedder and rake. The only one of your devices that need a stronger shaft should be the 2.5 m drum mower and the press. Greetings Marcus
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of Gerd1 »Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:45 am

Hello,

there are waves, but i don't know exactly which wave belongs to which device.

which series would be recommended for the 2.5m drum mower and the press?
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of JonnyD2250 »Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:13

Rotary harrow: very heavy series (star profile)

Press, mower and maize chopper: heavy series

Loader wagons, manure spreader, slurry tanker: medium series

Rake, sprayer, fertilizer spreader, turner: light series

The series will not be the problem in itself, the setting of the clutches (slip clutch, for example) may be much more problematic ... You have to obtain information from the manufacturer as to whether the cardan shaft is secured or whether a device (e.g. shear bolt) is secured is is namely the question ...

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